The Holocaust We Ignore
Once again, Communists discover novel and profitable new ways to destroy their citizens while we yawn:
The human rights lobby in this country is far too busy making up imaginary slights to blame their fellow Americans for to take notice of the Falun Gong having their organs ripped out of their living bodies for sale abroad.
There is a horrifying story going around the world: In the northeast of China, thousands of prisoners are being held, so that they can be killed for their organs. The prisoners are practitioners of Falun Gong, the meditation-and-exercise system. The facility at which they are being held — called a "concentration camp" or a "death camp" — is at Sujiatun. Chinese human-rights activists believe that this name should cause the same shudders as Treblinka and the others.
The human rights lobby in this country is far too busy making up imaginary slights to blame their fellow Americans for to take notice of the Falun Gong having their organs ripped out of their living bodies for sale abroad.
posted by Teflon at 8:59 PM
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Teflon, you are striking right at the heart of an ugly matter: "The human rights lobby in this country is far too busy making up imaginary slights to blame their fellow Americans...".
It IS definitely a lobby (group of lawyers) leading emotionally disturbed folk to assure the cultural devisiveness that breeds litigation and fees for trial lawyers.
You are right on; there is no intellectual honesty in what they do. If they help cause the violent overthrow of America, they would NEVER protest what happens to their followers or to us, but care only for their own hides. Such is the ethic of trial lawyers.
Not quite. I feel we point finger so much, our own transgressions are being ignored. I wonder if that's done on purpose.
Thake the China concentration camp allegation. Here are more news on the authenticity of the concentration camp allegation:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,18669046-7583,00.html
''It appears the claims by Falun Gong have been at least substantially exaggerated. Initial investigations by researchers for a US congressional committee have identified the site at Sujiatun as a hospital, where it is suspected organ harvesting occurs but on nowhere near the scale claimed''
Now, if there is no concentration camp, rather isolated cases of abuse and irregularity contrary to Chinese law, then there exists a very different reality than what’s alleged.
While I agree China’s human rights abuse should be examined, as with all human rights abusers in
the world including my own country USA - lifting data from websites and writing allegory of “Schindler’s List” is not the way.
If we in the West can not be precise with our facts, only resort to nefarious indictment, who will take what we say seriousely?
Nonsense. The documentation for the laogai system is enormous and convincing.
It is the comparison of the United States' human rights record with that of China which is completely ludicrous.
The Chinese have treated the followers of Falun Gong as dangerous insurgents and incarcerated them simply for their beliefs.
Don't get me started on the Chicoms' horrendous abuse of Chinese Christians, either.
If you don't believe testimony from witnesses, how do you presume to get at the facts regarding Chinese human rights abuses?
Or should we simply take Beijing at its word, much as we did the Soviet denials regarding the gulags until Kruschev's "Secret Speech"?
Epoch's evidence on this China concentration camp allegation are all single-source and unverifiable.
And I feel your distinction between our HR violation and China's is rather self-serving. So when we do it it's okay? People in gitmo are held without charge, in violation of international law. What's so different?
In case you don't know, "laogai", as in Administrative Detention, is a well-established western legal concept. Many European nations have it, even our Guantanamo Bay detention is in part based on this.
If we have issue with this, fine, but don't make up story by writing allegory of "Schindler's List".
I have looked into this on my own, and my conclusion is Falun Dafa Association of New York, who runs Epoch Times NY, strung up unrelated news and facts to create this story, and drumed it out by googlebombing.
But I will only impose my theory on you if you demand it.
"Administrative detention"---what a fascinating euphemism for a gulag.
Unlike Gitmo, where Muslim prisoners are given halel meals, copies of the Koran, and allowed to exercise their full religious devotions (stopping short of the Wahabbists love for decapitating civilians, that is), the Chinese laogai camps are not quite so accommodating. There, one gets the privilege of hard labor for the State, interrogated, propagandized, and repeatedly beaten. In Gitmo, which has been constantly visited by human rights organizations to verify the humane treatment of the detainees there (unlike the Chinese camps which have never had the pleasure of a Red Cross visit), prisoners gain weight, and a number have publicly expressed a desire not to be returned to their homelands. They weren't bearing electroshock burns while so doing, either.
I'm afraid your definition of human rights is a bit distorted---beginning with the notion that dragging people off to the dungeon in the middle of the night for the crime of taking the Eucharist is somehow not a violation of their human rights.
When it comes to the legal basis for Gitmo, you simply don't know what you're talking about.
The Geneva Convention makes perfectly clear the conditions under which one is to be declared a lawful combatant. Terrorists such as Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and the like do not meet this definition. Military tradition actually holds that such unlawful combatants are entitled to summary execution---you can see for yourself how the Barbary pirates were dealt with when captured, or the Filipino insurgents, or any of a host of others who saw fit to engage in terrorist acts. Not that you will, since carrying water for the Chinese thugocracy is inexplicably more appealing.
Lie all you would like about Gitmo. It is your right, and the American government will not infringe upon it. We are a free people.
Try typing "laogai" into the Chinese version of Google and see what you get. The Chinese, sadly, are not free. Would that they were, reporting on the hideous nature of life in a police state would be far easier to get, as the reporters would not live in fear for their lives, or that of family and friends.
In the meantime, we must rely on those accounts which emerge. As with the first reports of the Nazi death camps, many of these allegations will seem horrific indeed. Yet the violence habitually inflicted upon subject peoples of a totalitarian regime is invariably horrific beyond imagining.
Armando Valladares spent one full year of his ten-year sentence as a Cuban political prisoner naked and covered with excrement dumped on him by guards. Do you believe Valladares or Castro? I believe Valladares.
Solzhenitsyn witnessed unimaginable horrors in the Soviet gulag as he and his fellow prisoners were starved and worked nearly to death in the name of Soviet industry. Do you believe Solzhenitsyn or Stalin? I believe Solzhenitsyn.
Cambodia. North Korea. Nicaragua. Vietnam. Everywhere communism took root, the concentration camps sprung up and the atrocities flourished. Yet the initial accounts were invariably decried by the Left as exaggerations, or explained away by phony analogies to Western scandals.
It is an odd pathology to sanctify evil in the name of ideology, odder still to proclaim truth through lying lips.
One day, the Chinese people will be free. And when they are, we shall realize the grotesque injustice done them by the phony human rights "activists" who looked the other way while they were bulldozed by the truckload into unmarked graves.
And when those responsible at last meet their Maker, I suspect they'll find He has not forgotten nor forsaken the Chinese, nor is He likely to forgive their oppressors.
I don't have to lie:
- Epoch Times's China concentration camp allegation is such, an "allegation". Reason suggests "innocent until proven guilty"
- Administrative Detention is a Western concept; many Western nations practice it.
- What Bush is doing in Gitmo is clearly against domestic and international law. Amnesty International has said this many times.
We even have gulag in the sky where people are "renditioned" and tortured in transit from black-site to black-site.
While you are so focus on the Chinese, our country and values are being stolen from under our nose.
Sunday service has been at my blog, too. He seems to be running all over the internet defending a regime that has murdered seventy seven million of its own people on the ground that there is no evidence that they might be murdering more of them at Sunjiatun. He seems unimpressed by the fact that a diplomat who gave the report any credence would be promptly expelled from the country, and that the diplomatic consequences of seeming to do so would be something any government would want to avoid without absolute proof.
And absolute proof is hard to come by in a police state.
BTW, Sunday service is not a Christian. He is apparently an American who visited a congregation of the State-controlled Three Self Movement (the psuedo-Protestant mock church, which the government controls down to the sermons preached there). He claims that there is religious freedom in China, and at the same time defends the laws against religous instruction of people under 16 and the imprisonment and commitment to "re-education camps" of ministers and church leaders who refuse to take their orders from Beijing.
My experience with him is that the more he posts, the more he discredits himself. I personally banned him because he won't read rebuttals, won't engage in good-faith dialog, and was turning my blog into a means of propaganda for literally the most murderous regime in recorded history.
Oh. And he has so little sense of history that he actually believes that the genocide of the American Indians- horrific as it was- somehow makes American worse than a regime that has murdered seventy seven million of its own people as a matter of state policy. That is nearly as incredible as his refusal to see that such a track record itself automatically puts
any regime under suspicion when allegations such as the ones about Sujiatun arise.
Oh, BTW... the latest information from Chinese dissidents (some of whom, remember, claim to be eye witnesses- though from Sunday's point of view eye witness testimony isn't evidence)is that the prisoners at Sujiatun are being sent to other, smaller camps throughout China. Look for the camp to be opened for public inspection just as soon as the relocation is completed.
Sunday Service-
You may think you don't have to lie, but you certainly are when you try to play the moral equivalence game between the United States and China.
Since you're so keen on evidentiary support for human rights allegations, perhaps you'd care to provide the evidence for the United States torturing prisoners while airborne. Are you taking Al Qaeda claims at face value, possibly---these same terrorists whose published training manual explicitly states that they are to be expected to falsely claim torture when captured?
As for Amnesty International, they should have a look at the Geneva Conventions, which is the applicable international law here. It is inconvenient for them to do so, of course, because it is clear that these terrorists are not considered legitimate combatants, are not prisoners of war, and are not subject to minimally civilized treatment. We accord it to them in any case, as we are Americans. The only privilege we do not accord them is access to our civilian courts---as non-Americans and foreign terrorists they are not entitled to this.
In any case, sir, your moral credibility declines with word count. Perhaps if you could muster a scintilla of outrage toward the butchers of Beijing you might have a bit more leg to stand on when it comes to human rights.
As to Bob's speculation regarding your identity or aims, I can't say. For the sake of our readers, however, I will point out that the party nomenklatura in Beijing are quite interested in what is said about them on the Internet, employ quite a large number of Chinese people to troll the Internet looking for such comments, and when they're not conducting denial-of-service attacks upon detractors, they more genially attempt to push propaganda to counter critisms of their regime.
I'm going to take it on faith that you are who you say you are, and simply presume that your blindness regarding the Chicoms is an honest one.
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